Wednesday, October 28, 2009

NO health insurance does not mean NO healthcare.

Perhaps Obama and the Democrats should concentrate on unemployment.
At 10%, that's a lot of people without insurance.

I think he has destroyed the economy on purpose, so that he can get more people to push for a government take over of health care.

The more unemployed there are, the more that will want free government healthcare.

I, on the other hand, believe that everyone should provide for themselves.

BTW, NO health insurance does not mean NO healthcare.

If you were without insurance, then why are you still living?

I too went for a period of time without insurance, I'm still here.

The point is, FIND A JOB!

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:10 PM, <DUDE> wrote:

&&comments within…

I don't accept that explanation.

&&To except alternate explanation of those derived from your skewed and narrow perspective, you would have to accept that many if not most people not born in the US have a wider and more realistic understanding of …well…everything. You can't reject my explanation without real cause; there is no logic in that.

If Hungary is such a socialist utopia, then why aren't you and your dad there today?

&&You are mixing up at least two different arguments here. Whether or not Hungary is such a socialist utopia was not in question. You 'offered' this Cuban testimonial as 'proof' why socialism is a bad thing for my father to read, as though the viewpoint of one seriously oppressed Cuban who fled from a repressive dictator state has ANYTHING whatsoever to do with how my father who grew up, survived and was educated in a functioning socialist state. To answer your unrelated questions, I am not 'there' because I was born in England, my father is not there because while the Russians were invading Budapest during the war was NOT a good time to hang around. Prior to that, my family in Hungary did not have an issue with the government certainly not any more than the typical US citizen does with the US. We are here because of a set of circumstances which brought us here; we could easily be anywhere. Your re-warmed nationalistic cry of 'if you like it so much why don't you leave', I should not respond to….but your education level does not support that comment.

Secondly, I thought you already have health insurance?

&&Yes, I do have health insurance, but for a long time period that I would like to forget, I was NOT employed, and my family was not covered by health insurance. Because your worldly view does not include this situation, you again cannot really understand what that means to be without coverage for any real length of time and in fear that at any moment, any family member could have a situation which jeopardizes life.

For those that don't we have free Health Care at hospitals in this country.

&&You would probably be surprised at the 'coverage' that the uncovered don't really have …covered at the hospitals.

Finally, USA has the best medical research in the world. That will sputter under Obamacare.

&&Your comment is making another illogical relationship, the one between the perception of having the best medical research in the world and the unrealized and impossible to project affect of Obamacare on the research….there is no relationship there. The question is not who has the best medical research in the world…the question was about healthcare…got it or not. Also if you look, there are interesting points made about coverage. Note carefully that if you are making megabucs, you like the system…because you can get coverage…if you are poor and broke…you tend to not like the system because it requires the ability to pay the premiums…

My friend, from Wien, Osterreich, just today asked why I am making fun of Obamacare.
I'll send you the exchange...

Mr. Punky

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM, <DUDE> wrote:

There is a vast difference between the absolute monarchy/cruel self-serving repressive dictatorship (as in Cuba) and socialism as implemented in Hungary. Let the Cuban instead 'escape' instead to Hungary and enjoy rich culture, warm and highly-educated people, historic architecture, the arts, music, higher education (for free or nearly free) and the beauty of living without the ongoing worry and concern that they have exceeded their health coverage…or can't afford to treat life-threatening conditions.


Dude, ask your dad to read this Cuban immigrant's story, then tell me again about socialism.

Mr. Punky

"If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth."


via RedState by Erick Erickson (Profile) on 10/28/09


1. 45 Years Ago Today: We Have a Rendezvous With Destiny

We forget this anniversary at our peril.

As conservatives face off against their own natural party, the GOP, in NY-23, Florida, and elsewhere, we should remember Ronald Reagan's famous speech, "A Time To Choose."

"Not too long ago, two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, "We don't know how lucky we are." And the Cuban stopped and said, "How lucky you are? I had someplace to escape to." And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.

And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except the sovereign people, is still the newest and the most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man.
This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves. You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down—[up] man's old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism…

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So governments' programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth…

"You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.

We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.

We have the whole speech and audio at RedState.

Please click here for the rest of the post.


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