Friday, September 09, 2011

Re: Newt had the best lines from the debate

There you go again, blaming the drug manufacturers.
There are way more drugs today than decades ago.
It cost lots of money to produce and test drugs.
So you want your drugs for free, is that it?

In the free market, drugs would cost less than they do today.
Why? Because the government wouldn't be there to artificially make the costs higher.
Competition would make costs come down. Today there is little competition because
government is paying for many of these drugs to be doled out to people who can't pay for them.

What did these people do decades ago when the drugs weren't available?
They exercised, that's what they did. They didn't need the drugs.

If anything, it is going up. The only thing that changes is that companies are not hiring!

You, more than anyone, should be outraged at Pelosi, Reid, Obama and the rest of the Democrats
for jamming Obamacare down our collective throats when they should have been concentrating instead on the bad economy!

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:33 AM, dude wrote:
Not sure which country you live in buy as an almost absolute certainty, the cost of healthcare has increased steadily each year for at least the last 25 years....and not evenly relative to the provider cost. that speaks to the unchecked greed of drug and medical providers. entities like medicare and va services get to claim what their discount will and i dont.
saying in defense of our high cost healthcare that we are better than everyone else is illogical. we do have sophisticated medical capabilities, but our ability or willingness to get an appropriate treatment is overshadowed by the greedy who push newer, higher priced drugs and procedures for their gain

On Fri Sep 9th, 2011 9:30 AM EDT indi wrote:

>Many of the nations CEOs and company spokesman are saying what Newt Gingrich
>said in the debate the other day: Obamacare isn't the right solution to the
>nation's healthcare downward spiral. In fact, these companies are
>specifically NOT hiring because of the mandates in the law.
>Myth: Healthcare is in a downward spiral
>Truth: Healthcare is quite good, the best in the USA as it has ever been, in
>fact the best in the world.
>Truth: The cost of healthcare is in an upward spiral - but then everyone
>wants quality healthcare and that costs quite a lot.
>Truth: Too many people in America want something for nothing. There should
>be a significant cost to using healthcare - period. A copay would be a good
>thing, and not a tiny copay, but something on the order of 20-35%.
>Truth: Healtcare is also expensive BECAUSE of Medicare and insurance. When
>individuals who use healthcare don't share in the cost, then providers tend
>to overcharge because they can. Over decades it spirals into huge costs.
>The real problem is that people are becoming increasingly more unhealthy.
>They don't get enough exercise and the overeat.
>The solution to the cost of healthcare is not the government taking over the
>whole system.
>The better solution is competition amongst health insurance providers across
>state lines (The Feds prevent that now through previous legislation).
>There are many other provisions as well: Doctor's malpractice insurance
>is ridiculously high because the lawyers always want to bring law suits
>against them. These suits should have an upper limit.
>On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:00 AM, dude wrote:
>> Increasing the size of gov is not what i would choose...but if the size
>> increases because problems of the nation are finally being recognized and
>> addressed. it is because the obama wh has targeted problems such as the
>> nations healthcare downward spiral that causes even you heartache and
>> applied a solution for which the money grubbing reps were never even
>>  concerned with
>> On Thu Sep 8th, 2011 3:54 PM EDT indi wrote:
>> >Sorry, A choice between Obama and Obama is not on the table.
>> >Obama is a clown and has NO EXPERIENCE (except for being a radical
>> leftist).
>> >Obama is a proven antagonist to free markets who is an ELITIST who thinks
>> we
>> >are his subjects.
>> >Obama is only quick on the draw when it comes to INCREASING the size of
>> >government.
>> >Obama is REALLY good at bringing down the economy - that's now proven.
>> >
>> >
>> >Prosperity will come as soon as Obama is out of office.
>> >
>> >On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, dude wrote:
>> >
>> >> good about this...
>> >> would I rather have some clown without experience like Palin at the seat
>> of
>> >> the most powerful nation on earth....or
>> >> ... a proven frat boy from texas who is quick on the draw and able to
>> pull
>> >> the nation down to the opposite of prosperity?
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> *From:* indi
>>  >>
>> >> *Subject:* Re: Newt had the best lines from the debate
>> >>
>> >> Who would you rather have:
>> >>
>> >> Obama and the Dems destroying the economy, or
>> >> Any Republican doing nothing, and the economy comes back on its own
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:32 PM, dude wrote:
>> >>
>> >> rammed through...with the do nothing repubs ...doing nothing good
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> *From:* indi
>> >>
>> >> Fact: MSNBC is a totally biased organization towards Democrats.
>> >> While NBC representative Brian Williams had more than his share of
>> sneering
>> >> biased questions, it was Williams's co-moderator, Politico editor John
>> F.
>> >> Harris who laid on the snark in his attempts to bait and attack the
>> >> candidates.
>> >>  Such unbalanced questioning is par-for-the-course for Republicans
>> >> competing at the national level. More often than not, they take it in
>> >> stride. Tonight, though, Newt Gingrich was having none of it as he went
>> >> full-on after Harris's attempts to insert Gingrich into a non-existent
>> >> debate about an individual mandate to purchase insurance at the national
>> >> level that Republicans simply are not having. Video and transcript
>> follow.
>> >>
>> >>  The transcript:
>> >>
>> >>  JOHN HARRIS: Speaker Gingrich, it sounds like we have a genuine
>> >> philosophical disagreement. In Massachusetts, a mandate, almost no
>> >> uninsured—in Texas, a more limited approach, about a quarter uninsured.
>> >> Who's got the better end of this argument?
>> >>  NEWT GINGRICH: Well, I'm frankly not interested in your effort to get
>> >> Republicans fighting each other.
>> >>  (Harris laughs, audience applauds)
>> >>  GINGRICH: The fact is—
>> >>  HARRIS: Speaker Gingrich, we've got—
>> >>  GINGRICH: The fact is—
>> >>  HARRIS: We've got—
>> >>  GINGRICH: No, no we don't—
>> >>  HARRIS: We've got a choice between the individual mandate or not.
>> Anyway,
>> >> go ahead.
>> >> * GINGRICH: You'd have, you would like to puff this up into some giant
>> >> thing. The fact is, every person up here understands Obamacare is a
>> >> disaster. It is a disaster procedurally. It was rammed through after
>> they
>> >> lost Teddy Kennedy's seat in Massachusetts. It was written badly, it was
>> >> never reconciled. It can't be implemented. It is killing this economy.*
>> >> * And if this president had any concern for working Americans, he'd walk
>> >> in Thursday night and ask us to repeal it because it's a monstrosity.
>> Every
>> >> person up here agrees with that.*
>> >>  (Audience applauds)
>> >>  And let me just say-- since I still have a little time left, let me
>> just
>> >> say—
>> >>  HARRIS: Sure.
>> >>  GINGRICH: I for one, and I hope all of my friends up here, going to
>> >> repudiate every effort of the news media to get Republicans to fight
>> each
>> >> other to protect Barack Obama who deserves to be defeated. And all of us
>> are
>> >> committed as a team, whoever the nominee is, we are all for defeating
>> Barack
>> >> Obama.
>> >>


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